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каверы Led Zeppelin
« : 06 Август 2008, 18:12:21 »

Господа интересно чьи песни использовали Led Zeppelin  в своем творчестве
просьба написать название и автора ;)
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #1 : 06 Август 2008, 19:19:32 »

Ну вопрос я думаю такой, что его нужно рассматривать самостоятельно - так интересней будет. Но если написал уже, то...
На первом и втором альбомах прилично композиций написанных Willie Dixon'ом, но переигранных Led Zeppelin. А из-за WLL он даже судился с нашими, и выйграл, что если эта вещь будет играться на концертах, то какой-то и ему полагается процент. Но это только на первых двух альбомах.
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #2 : 06 Август 2008, 23:40:44 »


войди в другой раздел "не тлько о Led Zeppelin"....
там смотри ветку
"LZ blues roots" 
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #3 : 07 Август 2008, 15:08:13 »


войди в другой раздел "не тлько о Led Zeppelin"....
там смотри ветку
"LZ blues roots" 
Там затронута, правда, только маленькая часть. А тема, действительно большая.
Начиная от официально признанных заимствований, до всяких там полунамеков.
НА сайте в разделе "песни" более-менее по каждой вещи дана информация.
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #4 : 08 Август 2008, 09:23:14 »

Но это только на первых двух альбомах.
Когда-то мне попадался внушительный список первоисточников песен ЛЗ. Там были вещи не только с первых двух альбомов.
Расстраиваться по этому поводу не стОит: творческое переосмысление (слово плагиат употреблять не будем  ;D) в мире рока - вещь обыденная.
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #5 : 08 Август 2008, 11:11:16 »

Вот тут много интересной информации:
http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/Originals.php
Тут небольшой список:
http://www.topito.com/post/Top-des-plagiats-de-Led-Zeppelin
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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #6 : 08 Август 2008, 11:16:06 »

есть, например,  такой вот список....

(ещё и ещё раз: вопрос авторства - тонкий и деликатный ... надо рассматривать для каждого отдельного примера, т.к.  в  каждом конкретном случае - разная степень влияния(или же его отсутствие вообще),
  т.е.:

-  или как музыкальный прообраз/ первоисточник, получивший дальнейшее продолжение и оригинальную аранжировку (кстати, часто та или иная вещь была услышана Пэйджем даже не в первой(авторской) версии , а в подаче другого исполнителя)......т.е. здесь можно говорить о заимствовании  оригинальной "темы"... причем   в итоге  не кавер получался, а сильная  переработка

-  или как еле уловимый толчок, подтолнувший/"вдохновивший"  Пэйджа или JPJ на оригинальную тему ...в этом случае  их авторство бесспорно....

-  или же есть просто факты  совпадений с похожими фрагментами в  вещах других авторов.... 

 -  и есть вещи, которые  были  источниками  лишь  только фрагментов лирики(текстов)
   .... 

 * "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon (a/k/a Annie Briggs - ?), this was originally credited as "traditional,the Joan Baez version was the one this was based on, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action,"Bredon/Page/Plant.

* "Black Mountain Side" --  uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch. The main riff is almost identical to the riff Jansch uses in his song "Black Water Side",  though he(Bert Jansch) cites Annie Briggs as an earlier source.  J. Page: "I wasn't totally original on that riff. It had been done in folk clubs a lot. Annie Briggs was the first one that I heard do that riff"
 
* "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
 
* "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
 
* "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
 
* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
 
* "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
 
* "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
 
* "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.
 
* "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
 
* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
 
* "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
 
* "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love.". I'm not listing covers that the band credited to the actual authors ("You Shook Me") or the less blatant ripoffs (the "Superstition" riff in "Trampled Underfoot")
.
* "Train Kept A Rollin'" -- Written by Tiny Bradshaw, L. Mann, and H. Kay, first recorded by Bradshaw's Big Band in 1951. Rewritten as a rockabilly tune in 1956 and recorded by theJohnny Burnette Trio (whose guitarist, Paul Burlison, was an influence on Jeff Beck and inspired him to cover the tune with the Yardbirds). The Yardbirds recorded both the "original" tune and a rewritten version called "Stroll On" (the lyrics were modified to avoid copyright hassles) in Michaelangelo Antonioni's film _Blow Up_, which features the Beck/Page-era Yardbirds imitating the Who. The original version was often played live by Zeppelin, and is often mistakenly attributed to the Yardbirds, which is why it is included here.
 
* "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

* "You Shook Me" -- Willie Dixon, first recorded by Muddy Waters.
 
* "I Can't Quit You Baby" -- Willie Dixon.
 
* "Communication Breakdown" -- Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
 
* "How Many More Times" -- Howlin Wolf's "How Many More Years," Albert King's "The Hunter," Zeppelin's version is lyrically related to a cover called "How Many More Times" by Gary Farr and the T-Bones (liner notes by Giorgio Gomelsky, one-time producer of The Yardbirds). Zeppelin's particular arrangement grew from the live jams on "Smokestack Lightning" that the Page-led Yardbirds used to do.
 
* "Dazed And Confused" --  uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song , written and recorded as "Dazed & Confused" (see "The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes") The Yardbirds covered it under the title "I'm Confused," with different lyrics. Page again changed the lyrics (which were originally about an acid trip) for the Zeppelin version. The version on the _Session Man_ album (on Archive) credited to the New Yardbirds is actually the Holmes original. Page: "I don't know about all that. I'd rather not get into it because I don't know all the circumstances. What's he got, the riff or whatever? Because Robert wrote some of the lyrics on that album. But he was only listening to...we extended it from the one that we were playing with the Yardbirds. I haven't heard Jake Holmes so I don't know what it's all about anyway. Usually my riffs are pretty damn original [laughs]. What can I say?"
 
* "The Lemon Song" -- Chester Burnett (a/k/a Howlin Wolf) "Killing Floor," Robert Johnson ("squeeze my lemon" lyric). In some early concerts and on some pressings of _II_, the song was actually called "Killing Floor." ARC Music filed a suit against Zeppelin in the early 70's, which was settled out of court. Ironically, the "squeeze my lemon" lyric was lifted by Johnson as well--from Art McKay ("She Squeezed My Lemon"--1937).
 
* "Moby Dick" -- Bobby Parker (music), Ginger Baker's "Toad" (drum solo). The song was originally entitled "The Girl I Love," which was written in 1929 by Sleepy John Estes and called "The Girl I Love, She Got Long Curly Hair." There are also some drum lines lifted intact from George Suranovich's drum solo with Arthur Lee's Love's song "Doggone."
 
* "Whole Lotta Love" -- Willie Dixon's "You Need Love" (lyrics). Plant: "Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought,
'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time (it was in fact 7 years) and influence that...well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game." Willie Dixon sued Zeppelin (actually friends of his at the time) in 1985 when his daughter noticed the resemblance--though by this time, Zeppelin has sold the rights to their international catalog and knew _in advance_ of the suit, which was filed only _after_ the sale had been completed.
 
* "Thank You" -- There is a striking chordal similarity to Traffic's "Dear Mr. Fantasy." "Bring It On Home" -- Written by Willie Dixon, though the Sonny Boy Williamson II version is the one which this bears a similarity to. The "Lemon Song" lawsuit also included language about this song.
 
* "Traveling Riverside Blues" -- Johnny Winter's "Leavin' Blues" (music only), plus lyrical references to Robert Johnson, St. Louis Jimmy Oden, and Sleepy John Estes.
 
* "Since I've Been Loving You" -- brief lyrical nod to Moby Grape's "Never."
 
* "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" -- intro lifted from "The Waggoner's Tale" by Bert Jansch.
 
* "Gallows Pole" -- traditional, associated with Leadbelly. Page says that his version
was based on a cover of the song by Fred Gerlach.
 
* "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" -- traditional, Bukka White (song entitled "Shake 'Em On Down"), also covered by Joe Lee Williams and Blind Lemon Jefferson.
 
* "Black Dog" -- the vocal arrangement is very similar to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well."
 
* "Rock And Roll" -- drawn from Little Richard's "Good Golly Miss Molly/Keep A Knockin'" (mostly the drum line)
 
* "Stairway To Heaven" -- Possible (though unlikely) lift from "And She's Lonely" by The Chocolate Watch Band, which became the intro chords. There's really no way of knowing for sure. The solo chords are also similar to the chords of Dylan's (and Hendrix's) "All Along The Watchtower," though the chord progression is hardly uncommon and any direct influence is also unlikely. the main guitar line  more believable lift might be from Spirit's "Taurus," an instrumental from their _Time Circle_ album - the intro from "Stairway" is remarkably similar, and Page and Plant were certainly aware of the band.
 
* "When The Levee Breaks" -- Memphis Minnie and Kansas Joe McCoy.
 
* "Custard Pie" -- Sleepy John Estes did a song entitled "Drop Down Daddy" in 1935, which seems to be the earliest source for this material. Blind Boy Fuller recorded a song entitled "I Want Some Of Your Pie" in 1939. Sonny Terry covered it with the title "Custard Pie Blues." Big Joe Williams also covered it under the title "Drop Down Mama," and his lyrics are pretty much identical to Plant's. There is also some Bukka White material in the song.
 
* "In My Time Of Dying" - traditional
 
* "Boogie With Stu" -- Ritchie Valens.
 
* "Nobody's Fault But Mine" -- Blind Willie Johnson (lyrics).
 
* "We're Gonna Groove" -- Ben E. King, James Bethea  of  The Drifters


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Re: каверы Led Zeppelin
« Ответ #7 : 11 Август 2008, 19:15:45 »

Большое спасибо всем кто откликнулся особенно  Carbalet
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